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<demo1_vs9> |
live ! |
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<ajschult> |
werwolf: "an html editor" |
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<demo1> |
lol congrats to mozilla build gurus seamonkey built using VC++ 2008 success here |
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<KaiRo> |
nice |
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<demo1> |
firefo being built then |
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<demo1> |
giving 64 a try |
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<demo1> |
x64 |
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<demo1> |
I would lije to have a build progress indicator :) |
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<demo1> |
like |
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<demo1_vs9> |
haha different keyboards = typing errors :) |
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<thebot> |
Just appeared in Planet Mozilla - http://planet.mozilla.org/ : |
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<thebot> |
David Rolnitzky: Firefox retention video - extras needed! |
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<werwolf> |
:'( |
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PXE boots his new laptop and wipes Vista off before it gets a first run |
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<Hendikins> |
On Monday I'll contact Acer and see if I can get a Windows refund :) |
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<werwolf> |
nice |
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<werwolf> |
you can not probably |
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<Hendikins> |
werwolf: I don't know. If I don't accept the license terms and immediately remove the software (already done, my choice of Linux is installing), I may well be entitled to a refund. |
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<Hendikins> |
Since I removed the software before even /viewing/ the license, one can safely assume I don't accept it. |
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<Callek> |
Hendikins: just look up the licence online, (if its available somewhere public) so you can say, "I didn't agree to it" a bit more matter-of-factly |
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<Callek> |
lol |
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<Hendikins> |
Callek: They don't have to know that I nuked it before reading the license. :P |
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<Callek> |
Hendikins: "what prompted you to not agree with the license" |
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<Callek> |
"I hate M$ stuff" |
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<Callek> |
probably won't cut it |
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<Hendikins> |
No, but say, having objections to it being DRM'd up the wazoo may well do so. |
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<WindShadow> |
If you want the "Windows rebate" Google for info. I think slashdot had an article on it early this year |
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<WindShadow> |
http://www.linux.com/articles/59381 |
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Just appeared in Planet Mozilla - http://planet.mozilla.org/ : |
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Frederic Wenzel: BSD-powered Obama ‘08 |
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<demo1_vs9> |
If one never reads licenses , he might be removing the software whenever he wants |
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<demo1_vs9> |
he will have removed the sotware before reading license |
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<demo1_vs9> |
hum , I was sleeping for a while :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
firefor vs9 not built yet :) |
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<CTho> |
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SeaMonkey&curid=1590193&diff=177753529&oldid=177644754 |
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<CTho> |
it's an "&", but the way they linkified it im' not sure it works well |
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<CTho> |
someone fix that properly |
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<KaiRo> |
CTho: "and" is also OK I guess |
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<demo1> |
where can I find precise information on building seamonkey installer on win32 platform (the os bundled with internet explorer) |
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<KaiRo> |
demo1: what SeaMonkey version? |
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<demo1> |
this one |
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<demo1> |
I mean |
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<KaiRo> |
trunk, i.e. cvs HEAD? |
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<demo1> |
2.0a1 pre releaease |
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<demo1> |
y |
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<KaiRo> |
ok, just cd into your objdir and type "make installer" |
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<demo1> |
I Ill retry then |
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<KaiRo> |
you need NSIS and 7zip installed for that though |
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<demo1> |
oih I typed make install afair |
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<Callek> |
KaiRo: top of your head, is nsis and 7zip in MozillaBuild? |
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<demo1> |
no it is in ;owillq6build |
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<demo1> |
qs reco;;ended |
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<demo1> |
oops |
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<demo1> |
my bad localization |
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<demo1> |
it is in mozilla-build |
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<demo1> |
as recommended |
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<demo1> |
no rule for target installer |
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<demo1> |
in mozilla top src dir |
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<KaiRo> |
demo1: not src dir but obj dir |
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<demo1> |
oh |
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<demo1> |
have to w8 it is genrating key pairs |
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<Callek> |
KaiRo: hmm, I wonder if make -f client.mk installer does/should work too |
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<Callek> |
;-) |
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<demo1> |
does the build process sign binaries ? |
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<demo1> |
it doesn't seem so but ... |
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<demo1> |
can u install seamonkey with no administrative rights ? |
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<demo1> |
I will lower privileges here if no answser :) |
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<demo1> |
and does the installer includes msvc runtime ? |
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<demo1> |
i will install on a "special" machine if no answer :) where WinSxS is prepared to pretend they are not installed |
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<demo1> |
upx: c:/mozilla/other-licenses/7zstub/seamonkey/7zSD.sfx: EOFException: premature end of file |
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<Callek> |
demo1: the installer does not statically link in the msvc runtimes |
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<Callek> |
(I'm not even sure if it is legal to redistribute them) |
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<demo1> |
ok |
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<demo1> |
I saw the C++ flag |
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<thebot> |
c++ is e-- ah, nevermind. |
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<demo1> |
but are they included with installer ? |
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<Callek> |
demo1: I havent actually investigated my claim here (since Mozilla Suite 1.5 I think), but I'm "fairly certain" of my claim |
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<Callek> |
demo1: "I don't believe so" |
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<demo1> |
the runtime flag is MDwhen not enbling mozilla static link flag right ? |
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<Callek> |
note my, ... "not sure if it is legal" |
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<demo1> |
oh |
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<demo1> |
I agree with u not being sure |
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<Callek> |
I'm not the guy who works on any of that stuff (and in-fact I don't recall ever building the installer), so most of my statements are from memory |
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<demo1> |
the makeinstall modified c:/mozilla/other-licenses/7zstub/seamonkey/7zSD.sfx (compared to cvs) |
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<demo1> |
I cant debug that :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
firefox vs9 built |
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<demo1_vs9> |
:) :) :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
now trying to build seamonkey x64 ... :) |
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<demo1> |
oh its ok |
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<demo1> |
restored the file from cvs |
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<demo1> |
cant tell yet why it was not the original now ok |
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<Hendikins> |
I've never tried building a 64bit SeaMonkey for win64. Never seen the point. |
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<Hendikins> |
At least on Linux you've got nspluginwrapper |
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<demo1> |
nspluginwrapper ? |
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<Callek> |
Hendikins: the point is windoze rulz, and everything not windoze is goingz to perish... |
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<demo1> |
lol |
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<Callek> |
Hendikins: I say to Mr Torval (sp?) "all your base are belong to us" |
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<thebot> |
Suggestions for 'Torval': travel, travail, trover, trouville, true, seal, troweler... |
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<Callek> |
[/bad jokey-rant] |
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<demo1> |
I was assuming if internet explorer perishes windowsis pointless :) |
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<Callek> |
demo1: it still has WMP, and Office... o wait, those too are riddled with security flaws. |
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<Callek> |
nevremind |
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<Hendikins> |
demo1: nspluginwrapper lets you use 32 bit plugins with your 64 bit browser. |
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<KaiRo> |
but didn't you hear the big news about interweb exploder? |
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<demo1> |
OpenOffice ? |
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<Callek> |
KaiRo: that they are actually calling it IE8? |
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<KaiRo> |
the announced (!) officially (!) that the next versaion of their browser will be IE8! |
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<demo1> |
is itin beta ? |
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<demo1> |
:) |
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<Callek> |
KaiRo: I was really hoping for (what their marketing team said was a shoe-in) "IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet " |
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<KaiRo> |
demo1: they didn't tell anything about its development, just the BIG news that it's being called IE8 |
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<Callek> |
demo1: and sadly, that last line is a real quote |
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<Hendikins> |
KaiRo: *wow!* |
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<demo1> |
I was asking if a whiteboard addon exists with seamonkey |
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<demo1> |
I mean a collaborative one |
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<KaiRo> |
Callek: yes, that would have really been great, esp. on the desktop |
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<Callek> |
[source]http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx[/source] |
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<KaiRo> |
Hendikins: yes, that's what other people thought as well ;-) |
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KaiRo: I'm sure - possibly even with that much sarcasm |
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Hendikins: I frankly don't care if they call it "IE-Crapola" if its a good product, great... if it sucks, like (most) other IE's... then it might as well be called IE-Crapola |
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<KaiRo> |
Hendikins: exactly |
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<Callek> |
I'd rather they had answered (some) of those questions, they even acknowledge on that particular post |
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<Hendikins> |
I need to throw my latest autofox nightly, my profile, and some data on it :) |
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<KaiRo> |
mailnews marked the Apple Developer Connection newsletter as junk - I'm not sure if that even counts as a false positive *g* |
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<demo1> |
mingw didn't notice a 64 bit os ... |
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<demo1> |
but cl 64 bits amo should be invoked ... |
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<demo1> |
oh no target architecture |
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<demo1> |
_AMD64_ should be defined and is not |
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<demo1> |
testing installer with no vc++ runtime installed (pretending they are not) |
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<demo1> |
ok can't rename winsxs right now |
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<demo1> |
:) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
lol |
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<demo1_vs9> |
must find wich application still use msvcr80.dll |
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<demo1_vs9> |
damn still didn't caught it launching pe |
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<demo1_vs9> |
anyway could rename the last msvc80.dll |
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<demo1_vs9> |
if vc++ 2005 express dont start on this machine, considering it is ok to test seamonkey installer :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
VC++ express doesn't launch : testing the installer with no vc ++ runtime |
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<demo1_vs9> |
ooch seamonkey doesn't launch |
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<demo1_vs9> |
just like vc ++ express |
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<demo1_vs9> |
checking the reference installing gimpvs from http://gimp-vs.sf.net if it launch , others should launch too ... |
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<demo1_vs9> |
it is a 21 mb installer bbut comes with all dependencies : checking no previous installation is present for sanity |
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<demo1_vs9> |
it is gimp coming comes with a GTK+ distribution |
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<demo1_vs9> |
lol downloaded vs9 distribution :à) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
it doesn't launch either |
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<demo1_vs9> |
oh got it |
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<demo1_vs9> |
I only renamed the msvcr80.dll but not the manifest files before checking my bad |
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<demo1_vs9> |
restarting test |
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<demo1_vs9> |
so |
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<demo1_vs9> |
the os is messed up by this : not a situation found on a "bare machine" |
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<demo1_vs9> |
checking if gimpvs launches |
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<demo1_vs9> |
yeah gimpvs now it runs as if running on a bare machine |
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<demo1_vs9> |
launching vc++ 2005 |
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<demo1_vs9> |
vc++ express 2005 doesn't launch ok :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
but seamonkey doesn't launch :( |
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<demo1_vs9> |
uninstalling seamonkey to ensure the installer wasn'tt messed up by the "not bare machine" |
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<demo1_vs9> |
official firefox 2.0 launches is it a static link build ? |
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<demo1_vs9> |
if so the legal question goes there too |
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<demo1_vs9> |
reinstalling seamonkey |
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<demo1_vs9> |
it didn't launch silently from the installer : normal but :( |
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<demo1_vs9> |
no seamonkey doesn't like while the reference gimpvs does : the guys have been making gimpvs with this as a requirement : n oadmnistrative priviliege required |
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<demo1_vs9> |
so firefox official must be statically linked against runtuime : checking this |
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<demo1_vs9> |
onky a dependency against msvcrt.dll |
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<demo1_vs9> |
can I find the build settings for official firefox 2.0.11 ? |
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<demo1_vs9> |
was it built using vc6 ? |
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<demo1_vs9> |
Im about to join the gimpvs team and want to be sure of what I will tell them or they will laugh at me :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
meanwhile I ll give x64 build a try again :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
I wont fill a bug report yet :) |
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<demo1_vs9> |
compiling a dummy console app I'm not sure if it will link agaisnt msvcrt.dll calling any crt function : printf |
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k compiled a console app no dependency on msvcrt (calling printf runtime cl flag /MTd) |
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restauring the test machine initial state |
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<demo1_vs9> |
gimpvs is the reference for this http://gimp-vs.sf.net |
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here |
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<demo1> |
so this is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408309 the details for reproducing this in the log |
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<demo1> |
so firefox 2.0.11 seems to be built using vc6 |